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Katie: Hey, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from and That’s wellness with an E on the top. And this episode is all the pieces you ever needed or wanted to find out about mattresses as a result of it seems that there’s quite a bit that we don’t normally study or get defined to us. And I’m right here with Tim Masters, who’s a father of 5, and the proprietor of My Inexperienced Mattress. And we go deep on all issues associated to mattresses and sleep, together with what issues like VOCs are, what phrases like GOL and GOT certifications imply relating to mattresses, what it means for a mattress to be licensed natural, the best way to know in case your mattress is wholesome or not, and the best way to verify third get together verification. All about flammability testing, and the chemical compounds which are typically added to mattresses. The reality about what truly builds up in your mattress over time and the best way to keep away from it, together with why the common mattress can weigh as a lot as 17 kilos extra because it will get older, and a complete lot extra.


This was an interesting dialog. Like I mentioned, Tim owns My Inexperienced Mattress, which is among the natural firms that I like to recommend, and it’s very budget-friendly. In all probability essentially the most budget-friendly of the choices that we’ve in our residence. And so, that’s why I requested Tim particularly to be on right here. However what we speak about applies to actually any mattress selection you’ll make. And there’s a whole lot of training and understanding that can assist you make an knowledgeable selection about this. And I additionally delve into why I really feel like mattress selection is a giant deal relating to well being. So, plenty of instructions. I hope that you’ll take pleasure in. Let’s soar in. Tim, welcome. Thanks for being right here.


Tim: Thanks for having me. Yeah, glad to be right here.


Katie: Properly, I do know we’re gonna go deep on primarily all the pieces anybody ever must know on mattresses and well being right this moment. However earlier than we soar into that, I’ve a word in my analysis from you, that you’re a volunteer to be principally a shark at a neighborhood highschool. In order that they get to type of have entrepreneurial expertise and get their concepts checked. This resonates so deeply with me as a result of we’ve a factor in our family the place our children must have a worthwhile enterprise for a yr earlier than they will have a telephone or a automotive. And I believe entrepreneurship is an incredible factor to get youngsters into younger, and it teaches them so many life classes in a hands-on method. So I might simply love to listen to slightly bit about your expertise in working with these youngsters.


Tim: Yeah. It’s truly actually rewarding, and I really feel fairly honored to be requested to be a shark. And it began when my daughter was taking a enterprise class in highschool, and he or she’d requested, or she instructed her trainer, you already know, “Possibly my dad might be a shark.” That they had a venture to provide you with their very own companies, it was a full semester venture for the children. And it began there, and now I proceed to be a shark with the highschool. And it’s actually neat to see all these younger minds deliver to gentle, like all these nice concepts, and it’s, you already know, I don’t know, like to assist information them. And typically they blow your hair again, you’re like, “Wow, I can’t consider that, you already know, you got here up with such a fantastic marketing strategy.” From begin to end, they’ve to indicate revenue of their enterprise, they’ve to indicate, you already know, what services or products they’re gonna present. And myself and a few different small enterprise or medium-sized enterprise homeowners are sharks, and we give our enter on the finish of the day, they usually get graded on the efficiency. And so they have to come back up and, you already know, give a pleasant presentation identical to “Shark Tank,” it’s nice.


Katie: That’s actually cool. I’m hoping we’ll see extra issues like that in a whole lot of completely different locations as this…I believe this new development is getting…probably not a development, however that is changing into extra mainstream recognized. And like I mentioned, I believe you possibly can educate and study a lot by way of the lens of entrepreneurship. So I really like that you just’re doing that. And that’s truly an ideal segue into entrepreneurship in the way in which that you just’re doing it, which is thru pure and natural mattresses. So I’ve a whole lot of fairly detailed questions for you on this. However first, I’d love to listen to how you bought into this world, to start with, as a result of that’s a fairly particular world, and I do know I’m a giant fan of your merchandise.


Tim: Yeah. Properly, thanks. I began in a neighborhood mattress manufacturing facility, only a very nice, well-run small like manufacturing facility direct mattress manufacturing facility again after I was a teen. And I cherished my job. I really like constructing these mattresses. It actually appeared, it resonated with me as a result of it was like a win-win. Not solely are the mattresses and the merchandise made right here, like we tried to do all the pieces like manufacturing. And, you already know, we supply as many merchandise and elements as we will from proper right here within the States. And we get to get the top product to the buyer. So it’s from, you already know, uncooked items all through the manufacturing to delivering the mattresses to the individuals’s houses. And I don’t know, I simply at all times felt that actually rewarding. And even the unique proprietor, I had a lot respect for him. He was so sincere in all the pieces. He was at all times scratching his head, “What’s higher, what’s higher?” We at all times strived, “How can we enhance? How can we make this higher? What’s a greater course of?” Like we by no means simply sat again and mentioned, “That’s adequate.” I cherished the corporate from day one.


After which after I was 24, I’d talked about to the proprietor, you already know, “I really like working at this store,” however I’d completed college, and I used to be like, “I want to maneuver on.” And he mentioned, you already know, “In case you stop,” he goes, he was like, “I can’t run it anymore as a result of I’m getting too outdated as a result of my youngsters don’t have curiosity in it.” It’s myself and two different workers working on the time. And he mentioned, “Why don’t you stick with me another yr, and I’d such as you to purchase the enterprise, the constructing, stock, and tools.”


So, after I was 25, I gave him another yr, the identical pay fee, and after I was 25, I bought the corporate. And what was neat about it’s that there was truly an condominium above like our showroom which is related to our manufacturing facility. And I used to be in a position to reside. My spouse and I had been in a position to reside upstairs and run the showroom and the manufacturing facility. It’s type of an old style like shopkeeper, and it’s simply type of a neat little area of interest. So, that’s how I grew to become a mattress maker.


Katie: That’s a cool story. I do know after I began researching mattresses after I obtained into the world of well being and needed to search out good choices for my youngsters, as we had increasingly more youngsters, I discovered that there have been so many phrases and a lot info, issues I had by no means even recognized to analysis till I began actually getting within the weeds of it. And so I’d love to start out broad and possibly type of outline a few of these issues and perceive what they imply. After which go deep on well being implications and sleep and all the pieces else associated to it.


So, to start out off, I do know one time period that will get used quite a bit relating to on the lookout for a wholesome mattress is the time period VOC. And I might guess most listeners have not less than heard of this in both relation to mattresses or paint, or they not less than have a passing understanding of what that phrase is. However for anybody who doesn’t, let’s simply outline what VOCs are and the way they relate to mattresses.


Tim: Certain. VOC is a risky natural compounds which are launched into the air from whether or not or not it’s polyurethanes, whether or not or not it’s from, you already know, oil-based merchandise. These are issues that we breathe, they usually type of linger within the air, and it’s just like the scent and the odors that you just get from newer merchandise, a whole lot of artificial merchandise. VOCs are, sadly, throughout us, whether or not they be polyesters or widespread on a regular basis family, paint, cleaners. It comes from every kind of stuff. So VOCs are all over the place.


So the VOCs, what are you able to do to cut back it? So you are taking a superb have a look at, you already know, what’s in your house, and what are issues that you could management. Like even the air high quality in your house may be as much as 5 instances worse than even the skin air high quality. And folks spend about 90% of their time of their residence, whether or not it’s studying, enjoying, sleeping, you already know, simply hanging out. And it’s how do you make that more healthy? And one factor that’s very nice is like should you do get an natural mattress, you spend a lot time, a 3rd of your life is on that mattress. And it’s we make a mattress with like no VOCs, no off-gassing extraordinarily wholesome. It’s positively a profit.


Katie: Yeah, that was stunning for me to study, like the brand new automotive scent that everybody loves is sort of utterly VOCs. And such as you talked about, these are in a whole lot of merchandise that we are available contact with in our home every day. And that is for me a part of the explanation I’ve additionally delved into the world of private care, as an illustration, like many ladies put so many chemical compounds on their physique within the identify of private care. And that publicity provides up quite a bit. And such as you talked about, that stunned me early on after I realized that indoor air can truly be, such as you mentioned, a lot worse than outside air. And but we’re spending nearly all of our time now indoors. And to even like delve deeper into that, we’re spending a 3rd of our time sleeping on our mattresses.


And so one factor I’ve at all times thought is, something you are able to do to passively enhance your sleeping expertise, with out having to actively do something, is a giant well being enchancment since you’re gonna sleep anyway. So should you can optimize that atmosphere, you’re altering a 3rd of your publicity doubtlessly, simply by making actually acutely aware selections there. And I do know whenever you begin delving into this world and making an attempt to determine, “Okay. How then do I select good merchandise and good…? How do I even begin on this world?” You additionally run into issues like…phrases like GOTS and GOLS. And so I’d love so that you can clarify type of the hierarchy of various mattress certifications and what they really imply.


Tim: Completely. Such as you talked about, it’s a rabbit gap when you begin to take a look at mattresses and what do all these phrases means and what’s the profit for you the buyer. When we’ve our certifications like whether or not or not it’s GOLS, which is International Natural Latex Requirements, or GOTS, GOTS, its International Natural Textile Requirements. What this implies is that every one the supplies which are used, whether or not or not it’s the cotton, the wool, which might be GOTS for textiles or GOLS for the latex. And what meaning is that the farms that every one these supplies are harvested from that they’re grown on, they don’t have any like progress hormones, or the bushes, or the sheep, or pesticides. These elements are extraordinarily essential, however what’s I believe slightly bit extra essential too is what’s the share of these elements.


Like I see a whole lot of, I don’t know the best way to say it, however like greenwashing, whether or not or not it’s with mattresses, clothes, there could also be a sure proportion of the natural supplies. It’s essential to know like that it’s absolutely natural, or as natural as it may be. So, as an illustration, like our International Natural Latex Requirements, like as soon as at your GOL licensed, that farm that the rubber bushes are grown on, it’s licensed by a third-party, you already know, that the crop is, you already know, absolutely natural, there’s no progress hormones. That they’re not including any chemical compounds that aren’t wanted to these crops, for certain.


What units us aside to assume slightly bit with My Inexperienced Mattress is that it’s…we are literally an authorized natural mattress manufacturing facility. And what meaning is that we’re third-party-inspected, we get audited yearly. They arrive in, they inspector our elements, they examine our stock, they have a look at all the pieces that we do. They have a look at our gross sales sheets, they have a look at our buy orders, they usually guarantee that what we are saying is what’s within the product, and all the pieces has to match up.


And the attractive a part of being like an authorized natural manufacturing facility is that it’s we don’t simply declare to be natural prefer it’s fact-checked, you already know, it’s like the actual deal. It’s full transparency. We’re inspected by an organization known as Management Union, and Management Union is acknowledged by the USDA. They’re acknowledged by…it’s like the best normal you may get.


So to even go deeper. So Management Union, they’ve sure processes, like even the way you clear your tools, the way you retailer your tools or retailer your stock. And when these supplies are available, whether or not or not it’s the natural cotton cloth that we use, the natural wool that we’re utilizing, or the natural latex, that every one comes with the certification quantity. And so they include lot of numbers. So every package deal is particularly marked, and we monitor from every part. All the knowledge on there’s truly…finally ends up in your regulation label whenever you get the mattress, whether or not or not it’s the Emily Crib Mattress, the Pure Escape Mattress, or all Latex Hope Mattress, on the regulation labels, it’s all spelled out. And it’s coded to hint again to every part, the day it was ordered, the cargo it got here on, the farm that it was licensed with, their certification quantity, after which our certification certificates, all tie again to the knowledge that’s on each one in all our regulation labels, which is admittedly cool.


Katie: And also you talked about a whole lot of greenwashing. And I do know I’ve talked about this occurring in a whole lot of completely different areas of well being. Actually, we see it in meals. We see it in every kind of pure merchandise. And I do know it’s occurring within the mattress business as effectively, and also you see phrases like pure mattress, or clear mattress. And also you talked about natural being an truly outlined time period. If somebody’s desirous to type of minimize by way of the greenwashing, what ought to they be researching once they’re on the lookout for an natural mattress? And the way can they know for certain that it’s met these stringent qualities that you just simply talked about?


Tim: Third-party certifications are the most effective. Like in case you are like Management Union is that they’re the most important and the most effective. And I believe that every one top-tier mattress firms for the natural market can have the Management Union certification quantity. And yow will discover that in all people’s web site. We’re third-party licensed by way of Management Union. We now have a sure CU quantity. CU is simply abbreviated for Management Union. That’s our quantity that you could hint again to see when our certification was given, what we’re licensed on. Each part is inspected and it’s put. The third-party certifications from Management Union are the most effective that you could get.


So a number of the supplies like some firms can have…we use natural cotton, we use natural latex, however it isn’t their certification. Like it could be licensed, after which they buy it, and it might or might not be ultimately product that you just obtain as a shopper. Simply because it says GOLS or simply as a result of it says GOTS, the place are these certifications issued? It’s essential to know that the certifications are issued to the producer who’s making your product. That’s key. There isn’t any greenwashing. As soon as that certification is issued to that firm, they must abide by these requirements. In order that they use these certification instantly.


Katie: Bought it. Okay. And I do know one other factor that may be a potential factor to know that I don’t assume is talked about as a lot relating to mattresses is the flammability side and what’s required for it to be flame-retardant to a sure stage. And I do know, not less than from my analysis a very long time in the past, that is truly an space the place you typically see a whole lot of stuff you wouldn’t need to be close to your pores and skin added to mattresses as a result of they’ve to fulfill sure standards for not being flammable. And I’m certain you possibly can clarify this quite a bit higher than I can. However type of stroll us by way of possibly what these necessities are relating to the flame-retardant rankings or nevertheless that’s measured, and how one can know should you’re getting a pure choice associated to that.


Tim: Certain. The hearth testing or hearth requirements for mattresses, flammability testing, modified in 2007. And the federal government had requested that every one mattress and furnishings firms meet this new flammability requirement the place the usual for the flammability was, you’ll have 39 lit cigarettes, they usually had been issued by the federal government. You’ll put 39 lit cigarettes in sure spots on the mattress, and you’ll deliver the mattress to love…the place they do the testing. I’m drawing a clean. Anyhow, you’d deliver it to get examined. And what they might do is that they put 39 cigarettes on the mattress, and it couldn’t ignite.


After which in 2007, you additionally needed to put the 39 lit cigarettes on the mattress. However as well as, they did an open flammability testing. And what meaning is principally a torch on the floor of the mattress and a torch on the sidewall of the mattress. They might hold that torch blowing on the mattress for 30 seconds, pull the torches away, and the mattress needed to just about smolder or put itself out. They might check for warmth launch on the mattresses. So it’s actually laborious to check with out these newer chemical compounds and the chemical compounds that they might put in like from fiberglass sacks, to boric acid, to, you already know, the completely different fibers that can go straight underneath the material to type of smolder the flames. And it’s like, “Okay. This will’t be good for anyone.”


So we seemed slightly bit deeper and we’re like, “Okay, there must be one other method round this. Like I don’t wanna be…” And me personally, I don’t wanna be making these mattresses for eight hours a day, within the chemical compounds, after which go residence, and sleep on this for eight hours a day. Like I’m like, “I’m not gonna make it to 50.” So what we did is a whole lot of work on how can we cross this with natural or pure fibers?


And wool is gorgeous, wool is a pure hearth barrier. Even years in the past, fireman’s coats had been made out of wool. And its wool is so superior to make use of in a mattress and even for clothes or socks or something. Wool is a hole fiber. It distributes warmth so effectively. It wicks away perspiration. It’s essentially the most temperature regulating fiber recognized. It’s superior to make use of in a mattress. So we began to make use of wool straight underneath our cloth in our pure and natural mattresses.


I went to sufficient burns like for the Underwriter Laboratories is what I used to be making an attempt to think about, the UL Labs. So I went to sufficient burn assessments to the place I began experimenting behind my store, like I might make a mini mattress or get some samples. And I might simulate the assessments with some torches at the back of our store. I’d pull the torches away, and I’d see how it could burn. And I’m like, “I saved failing.” And I’m like, “What am I doing unsuitable?” And that is just like the years 2006 and the 2007. And I modified my stitching type, I modified the gram weight of the wool that we’d put in, and I handed. And I’m like, you already know, “That is working.”


So we examined our worst-case state of affairs, which they might take into account, you already know, like, what would have the best burn fee or what would ignite essentially the most. So we’d take these mattresses, and I’d wrap them in wool. I did my new stitching type. We did the brand new gram weights of wool. And I felt so proud and so joyful that I used to be in a position to cross this new flammability testing from the Underwriter Laboratories, and did it with all pure merchandise. I’m like, “I obtained it.” So then we’re like, “Sport on, now we will produce a full-on product line with no hearth retardant chemical compounds in it.” After which we advanced from there.


Katie: Yeah, I really feel like that is an space that isn’t as well-known, like I mentioned that mattresses must cross this check that always that may imply they’re utilizing chemical compounds, however that there are pure choices, which is what I used to be so excited to see in you and what you guys do. And I do know that there are different firms that use wool as effectively.


I additionally know…one factor I wanna be sure that we contact on is that natural mattresses do value greater than sure sorts of different mattresses, which to me, they’re effectively definitely worth the funding. And I really feel such as you guys are way more budget-friendly than a number of the different manufacturers that I’ve tried and nonetheless have the identical high quality. However I do know this can be a large funding for individuals, and I don’t wanna rush over that as a result of I believe…like I mentioned at first, I believe that is one thing you’re sleeping on for a 3rd of your life, it’s definitely worth the funding. But in addition should you’re going to put money into it and think about it as an funding, it’s one thing that you just wanna handle. And I do know relating to longevity of mattresses, there’s a whole lot of elements that come into play right here.


You may possibly both dispel or verify this for me. However I’ve learn that over time, a whole lot of stuff can truly construct up in mattresses, that you could get like sweat and dirt and lifeless pores and skin and every kind of issues in mattresses, and that may truly have an effect on the standard and the longevity of the mattress. So possibly with that as a springboard beginning place, let’s delve into is that true for one? And two, how do you defend the longevity of your mattress should you’re gonna put money into an natural one that may value extra?


Tim: Nice query. And it’s years in the past, so I used to be a supply child with this firm, and I might perform all people’s outdated mattress. And you already know, we feature within the new one. And I used to be like, “Why are these outdated mattresses a lot heavier?” And, you already know, 25 years in the past, its mattresses are all made pretty comparable for lots of years. And I requested the unique proprietor, at some point we had been chopping covers, and I am going, you already know, “Why are the outdated mattresses a lot heavier?” And he goes, “They aren’t heavier.” And I didn’t argue the purpose or deliver it up anymore, however I’m like, “No, they’re quite a bit heavier like carrying them out.”


However trying into it slightly bit deeper, the common queen-size mattress after 10 years weighs 17 kilos greater than it did when it was new from pores and skin cells. Everyone perspires in it a couple of liter of sweat every night time, after which different pores and skin cells, different oils, they go straight into your mattress, and that’s what I used to be finishing up.


So one solution to defend your mattress is definitely like a mattress protector, that are very nice. As a result of one factor I observed as effectively is after I would see clients like regionally like see them on the grocery retailer, you already know, out and about, individuals would say, “Love my new mattress. I’m feeling nice.” And I saved listening to, “I’m feeling higher,” and I’m like, “It’s since you’re respiratory higher.” Such as you don’t have all these mud mites, you don’t have all of the pores and skin cells, you don’t have, you already know, all the pieces that type of builds up into that mattress for thus lengthy. And when it’s new, you get a recent begin.


However the mattress protectors, our machines…we provide an natural mattress protector, which I really like. It’s mechanically cleanable. It’ll accumulate your pores and skin cells. You recognize, you can sweat on it, nevertheless it’s mechanically cleanable such as you say, and you’ll put it proper again on and get a recent begin, you already know each different week, as soon as a month, no matter, you already know, your cycle is for laundry your protector. However mattress protectors are key to love a wholesome mattress, and it’s to actually cut back the quantity of mud mites and pores and skin cells and all the pieces else that goes into your mattress.


And to go in slightly bit on our mattress protector, it’s a licensed natural mattress protector that we use. It’s licensed natural cotton. It’s two heavy layers of natural cotton. And proper in between is a really skinny, nearly you possibly can’t detect it with the attention, it’s like a movie. And it’s a food-grade polyethylene layer that goes by way of. And what’s essential about it being meals grade is that it being a meals grade like barrier, it received’t leach. Like meals may be very specific, just like the USDA, you possibly can’t wrap, you already know, sure greens or sure, you already know, meat merchandise in simply any plastic as a result of it’s going to leach into that product. So our obstacles are natural mattress protectors use that very same barrier to maintain all the pieces out of your mattress. And it truly is waterproof, nevertheless it doesn’t really feel crinkly, it doesn’t sleep scorching. They’re very nice.


Katie: And one other factor that I believe it’s essential to know relating to mattresses, and there’s type of possibly a number of factors associated to this, however there are several types of mattresses, some have springs, and a few don’t. So I’d love to listen to type of a professionals and cons of springs versus no springs. And I do know that there’s not less than a subset of the group that prefers to keep away from springs due to the potential that the steel in there can doubtlessly principally amplify EMFs, not less than from my analysis. And I do know you guys have choices for each of those, however are you able to possibly give us the overarching professionals and cons of springs versus no springs, after which what to search for in every of these?


Tim: Certain. I’m slightly bit keen on the springs, and the explanation that me personally, I like a spring mattress. Our spring system that we use like in our upper-end beds has a five-zone spring system. Mattresses at all times put on within the hip space, you sit up from the center, you twist out of your hips. The middle part, I don’t need it to dip. And in our lumbar assist space or by way of the middle third of the mattress, it’s 5% firmer. And it’s slightly softer within the shoulder space, which I wanna get that stress off your rotators whenever you’re sleeping, particularly, effectively, clearly for facet sleepers. You don’t need an excessive amount of stress in your physique. I at all times wanna maintain you good and straight. I by no means need you to dip within the mattress, however I wanna get that stress off your joints, and it’s crucial to not put an excessive amount of stress on your self.


With the all latex mattresses that we provide, like our Hope Latex Mattress is gorgeous. It’s very supportive, very pressure-relieving, in your hips and shoulders, however there isn’t any lumbar assist space in that mattress. When you have a whole lot of decrease backaches, that’s typically when your hips are dropping and your backbone is curving down whether or not you’re mendacity in your again or your facet. So it’s possible you’ll wanna take into account a hybrid mattress with a spring system. In case you don’t have like power backache or something like that, the latex mattress is a superb choice in a…truly, I really like latex mattresses, however I’m just a bit bit extra in favor of the hybrids.


However the all-latex beds are stunning for sturdiness, however latex is so good, it’s extraordinarily sturdy. Within the 1930s, nearly all of Europe had been latex mattresses. And even within the 1950s, tens of hundreds of mattresses had been bought by way of Sears, and the mattress simply lasted for many years. So latex is a superb choice. However the one factor, should you do have a whole lot of decrease backaches, it’s possible you’ll wanna take into account a hybrid with lumbar assist. In any other case the latex mattress…the all-latex mattress is your nice choice.


Katie: Do sure ones of these sleep hotter or cooler than the others? As a result of I do know temperature is a giant factor relating to sleep as effectively, and I’m a giant fan of truly issues like Chilipads personally as a result of I sleep higher after I’m cool. However I do know the kind of mattress can appear to make a distinction in how heat you might be whenever you sleep.


Tim: Latex is superior. Latex is an open cell product, and it additionally has…like once they pour the mildew of the latex to form it when its liquid varieties into the latex padding layer, there’s like holes within the latex purposely put in there concerning the dimension of a quantity two pencil. And so they’re spaced about two and a half, three inches aside all through the latex. In order that being an open cell product and in addition with the airflow is superior, so prefer it doesn’t sleep scorching.


After which I believe I discussed earlier just like the wool…the natural cotton cowl with the natural wool is gorgeous for temperature regulating. Even our native retailer, when girls are…you already know, they’ve scorching flashes or males have scorching flashes, like they love our pure and natural merchandise as a result of it’s so breathable, it’s extraordinarily sturdy, and it’s however they don’t sleep scorching.


However I’d additionally wish to circle again concerning the coils, like we talked about…like briefly touched on EMFs. I don’t know all there’s to find out about EMFs. However what I do know is that in all latex beds, an EMF is electromagnetic area. And what occurs with like a standard spring system in a mattress, all of the coils are laced or tied collectively. And that spring system acts like a giant conductor as a result of all of the steel is related and touching. So you’ve gotten nearly like a big antenna.


So, you already know, the Wi-Fi in all people’s houses, you already know, the electronics within the kitchen, so microwaves, the Bluetooth, you already know, all the pieces that’s in all people’s residence now, the normal spring techniques can decide up a whole lot of that, you already know, radioactivity. It simply acts like an antenna.


However with the hybrid mattresses that we constructed, they’re all individually wrapped coils, in order that they by no means contact one another. They’re truly in particular person sleeves in order that the EMF stage is diminished nearly…I don’t wanna say nearly to nothing, nevertheless it’s so minimal in comparison with a standard spring system. After which the route, clearly, with no EMFs could be the natural latex mattresses in all latex mattresses.


Katie: And one factor I’ve finished in our home too is simply that, with the concept of something you are able to do to enhance sleep and cut back publicity to issues when you’re sleeping has ripples in the remainder of your life. The identical factor comes with, we reside in a technological world. In my home, there’s Wi-Fi throughout the day as a result of we’re all utilizing it to work and for varsity, I’m not prepared to not have Wi-Fi. Nevertheless, no one’s utilizing the web whereas we’re sleeping.


So a simple tip I give individuals is simply put a digital timer in your Wi-Fi and take it down at night time, or possibly take it down at dinnertime, so that you’re truly spending household time within the night. And that method you’re simply not being uncovered whenever you’re sleeping, and also you don’t want it anyway. And should you’re fearful concerning the EMF potential, then you definitely’re eradicating a kind of potential publicity sources so it’s not being amplified even if in case you have coils.


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I’d like to additionally discuss slightly bit extra about put on and tear and understanding how lengthy we will truly count on a mattress to moderately final, and what different issues we will do to assist prolong the lifetime of a mattress, whether or not that be, I do know I’ve heard we’re identical to rotate them or flip them at completely different instances if we have to clear them. What can we try this extends the lifetime of a mattress?


Tim: Yeah, thanks for the query. You may count on a well-built mattress to final minimal 10 years. Truthfully, I shoot for like 14 years, 14-16 on sturdiness and different merchandise that we construct. Latex mattresses for these of us that is aware of latex is extraordinarily sturdy. However there’s some upkeep that you must do in each mattress in your house that slept on for like two months. Like whether or not or not it’s a guestroom mattress, however after two months of use or for like, you already know, {couples} or singles or whoever’s within the mattress, rotate that mattress from head to foot. It actually helps with put on patterns. It’s additionally, you already know, fairly wholesome to maintain rotating it. However even our coiled mattress, the hybrid mattresses, the longevity with our button tufting, the natural latex or natural wool, you’ll get greater than a decade out of any product that we construct, in order that they’re actually well-built mattresses.


One factor you are able to do, if it’s doable is to once in a while get your mattress in direct daylight. Daylight is superior. It neutralizes odors. It eliminates mud mites. It’s simply actually wholesome if you may get any direct daylight in your mattress. So far as cleansing them, a lightweight vacuuming, possibly every year, it’s not a foul concept too. However I believe one of many issues for longevity is rotating.


So I’ve been making mattresses lengthy sufficient to see the place mattresses was all two-sided, you must have the ability to flip them, you flip them, and in addition rotate from head to foot. And I used to assume that the two-sided mattresses had been a lot extra sturdy than one-sided mattress. However I actually have this found out prefer it’s I’m a nuts and bolts man about these beds. And I’m at all times considering, “What’s higher, what’s higher?”


And the way in which we’re constructing our one-sided mattresses, I truly see I’m getting extra helpful life out of that product. Our one-sided beds now have been out about 18 years, and I’m simply now seeing some clients come again, who’re prepared for an additional one of many one-sided mattress. The place the two-sided beds had been, you already know, truly slightly bit extra often bought than the one-sided ones. However rotating is essential, vacuum once in a while, should you may ever get your mattress in direct daylight, tremendous wholesome.


Oh, and use a mattress protector. And, yeah, mattress protectors are nice. You don’t want those that zip on that absolutely encase the mattress. Those that match like a fitted sheet that protects the entire sleeping floor are very nice. You are able to do a zipper on one, you already know, if there’s, you already know, some individuals like for seniors, or in the event that they’re having any hassle with attending to the toilet or something like that. However the mattress protectors, like I say, actually assist with the longevity of your mattress too, they usually hold it clear, hold it recent.


Katie: And it’s additionally, I do know rising up, it was at all times we went to a mattress retailer and laid on all of the mattresses, and then you definitely picked it up, or they delivered it from the shop. And now we will order all these items on-line. And I really feel like individuals are used to ordering all the pieces on-line. However it looks as if some individuals are slightly hesitant to order a mattress on-line as a result of you possibly can’t clearly attempt it first should you’re simply ordering from a web site. So I’d love to only speak about that like how do you…are there rankings for consolation? How do individuals know what sort of mattress is gonna work for them once they’re ordering on-line and any suggestions round that?


Tim: Okay. So that may be a nice query. And even myself as a mattress maker, I’d be slightly bit nervous to order on-line. What you wanna search for is being sincere with your self, like should you’re a abdomen, or again sleeper, or facet sleeper, you’re gonna wanna get a mattress that matches your form effectively. And your age performs a giant position on this as effectively. Like, should you have a look at…like when individuals stroll into the showroom, I do know what mattress is for them. Like inside three ft of them strolling into the showroom, I’m like, you already know, “That is the mattress that’s gonna match that particular person the most effective.” However I have a look at the width of their shoulders, I have a look at their hips, I have a look at their weight, and I additionally have a look at their age.


So, whenever you’re trying on-line on a mattress, in case you are a facet sleeper, and you’ve got very broad shoulders, you wanna get one thing truly slightly bit plusher to get that stress off your rotator, or in case you are slightly bit hippie, you wanna get a mattress to take that stress off. And if in case you have a smaller waist, it’s truly a tough physique sort to suit. You wanna get a mattress that’s plush sufficient on the floor to get the stress off your hip joint and fill in good by your beltline. However I don’t wanna see these individuals sag within the mattresses too. So it’s slightly little bit of a fantastic line of getting a mattress that’s gonna get on nice assist, however not maintain an individual’s hips excessive or hips sluggish or shoulders excessive or low. Like, watch out of your joints should you’re a facet sleeper.


Again and abdomen sleepers can go…they will go firmer. Again sleepers, I simply don’t need their midsection to drop. I’m a giant fan of the hybrid beds with built-in lumbar assist. It’ll hold that midsection from dropping. Often, after we see clients, it’s that their decrease again is bothering them. And what that tells me is that their hips have dropped, that the mattress is getting softer by way of the middle and simply not getting sufficient assist there.


In case you’re older…I fear about individuals 50 years or older. Plenty of older individuals had been marketed to their complete life, “You want a agency mattress, a agency mattress.” No, and particularly as you grow old, circulation isn’t the identical. Your joints have gotten some miles on them now. So that you wanna be sure to get that stress off your rotator, be sure to get that stress off your hip joint. Simply be good and supported, however you don’t wanna go too agency, particularly should you’re a senior, or have any joint ache, go slightly bit extra on the plusher facet. In order that’s what I find out about that.


Katie: I additionally know after I’ve ordered from you guys, I used to be first anticipating like an enormous mattress-sized field to indicate up, and what confirmed up was a lot, a lot smaller. So clarify that too as a result of I believe this can be a cool factor that we will do now. And so they are available a lot extra compact packaging than I anticipated to the purpose that after I unpacked all of it, it was type of superb to look at what occurred.


Tim: Properly, it’s type of superb, even me like…as a result of I see them like being compressed and rolled. However once they come out, I used to be like, “Wow, have a look at that.” At our manufacturing facility, like we’ve grown from such a small little store to being like we’re world-class. Like all the pieces that we do, like every bit of apparatus that we’ve, there’s none higher. And I’m at all times trying, “Who’s the most effective, who’s the most effective? Who’s obtained one thing nicer? What can we do higher?”


We now have a roll-pack machine that’s truly made in Wisconsin, and I really like this firm. In our roll-pack machine, so we take our completed sewn mattress, all the pieces’s button tufted, all the pieces’s put collectively, goes on a conveyor belt, we verify the sizing, we verify for regulation label, we do our inspections, after which it goes into this roll-pack machine. Like a tamper plate comes down, and it will possibly go as much as 20 tons of stress. So it’ll take like this 11-inch thick mattress, squish it all the way down to 1 inches, and it vacuum seals it. It rolls out or comes out, after which it will get rolled and put right into a field, and it stays again impression till it will get your own home.


It’s a very neat course of like…I’ll inform you, at first, after we first began to roll-packing our mattresses, I destroyed a whole lot of beds. I used to be like, “What am I doing unsuitable?” We’ve solely gotten higher, just like the stuff that we construct to be roll packed is so sturdy, and particularly with the latex and the coils. All the pieces we use has obtained the most effective sturdiness for coming again and never having any points as soon as it will get roll packed. However the mattress does get pushed down, vacuum sealed, rolled up, put right into a field, it’s manageable, as much as 150 kilos. So like a few of these California king mattresses we construct would tip the scales at about 147 kilos. However they do have good seize handles within the field, it’s delivered by FedEx Floor, and introduced proper to your door.


You could possibly deliver it to your room. You may lay it out proper in your platform mattress base proper on prime of your field spring, no matter sleep base that you just…even adjustable mattress bases our mattresses work on, you possibly can lay that mattress on there, open the packaging. The mattress comes as much as its normal peak instantly. After which it’s…you possibly can sleep on it the identical day. You may go…you don’t must let it off-gas. You don’t must let it air out. Yeah, so the identical night time, you possibly can simply sleep proper on them.


Katie: Superior. I believe we’ve coated a lot floor in a brief period of time right this moment. And as we get near the top of time, there’s a couple of extra questions I might like to ask. The primary being, I do know we’ve touched on a whole lot of issues, however are there every other extra areas that folks don’t know or perceive relating to mattresses and sleep?


Tim: Whoo. I might say some issues that folks ought to know relating to sleep is…I’m gonna say it once more, they really want to concentrate to their private form. It’s crucial to take a look at your self within the mirror. And should you’re actual curvy, get slightly bit plusher mattress. In case you’re actual skinny and linear, you possibly can go along with the firmer mattress.


Mattresses now, it drives me loopy, like typically individuals purchase by value level. Like we’ll have clients that are available and never too removed from our retailer. It’s a fairly prosperous space. And clients will say, “Why would you suggest this mattress? It’s not your most costly. I would like your finest.” And no, the most costly typically isn’t the most effective for you or on your physique sort. And I believe that that’s surprising to individuals typically once they…you must have a look at your physique sort and say, ” I’m fairly linear, so that is gonna work. You recognize, a firmer mattress is gonna work higher for me.”


Katie: That was a fantastic reply. And secondly, one other query I like to ask is that if there’s a ebook or quite a lot of books which have had a profound impression in your life, and if that’s the case, what they’re, and why?


Tim: There’s a ebook that I actually like, and it’s Jack Welch. He was the CEO of Basic Electrical. It was known as the “Jack Welch Manner.” I appreciated his management type. And there’s additionally a ebook, a latest ebook, “Leaders Eat Final.” It’s type of the way in which that I’ve at all times like been about my firm. I’ve by no means finished what I do for our mattresses, I’ve by no means finished it for revenue to indicate large positive factors or something like that. I do it to assist individuals. Like I’m constructing a product, that’s the most effective it may be. And within the ebook, “Leaders Eat Final,” it’s like even within the army, like the best leaders, like all the fellows which are within the fields within the trenches, you eat first, you get taken care of. I’ll go final. I would like you to be the most effective.


That’s type of my principle at any time when I have a look at our manufacturing facility. You recognize, I must say, “You guys, I would like it to be the most effective for you.” And it’s, I don’t know, like even a whole lot of our workers have been with me perpetually. There’s one woman who began with me when she was 17, and he or she’s now near 40. And she or he has an accounting diploma, and he or she runs our stitching division. And I really like this girl. She’s so good and simply so joyful to be there. However I’m so grateful to have her. Even our manufacturing supervisor began as a teen. He’s in his early 30s now. He’s unbelievable. I deal with them as finest as I can, and even our clients, like what do they want? What’s gonna make life higher?


So the books that I like are management kinds that put individuals first. Management kinds that aren’t targeted on revenue, however targeted on like an atmosphere, in a tradition. I don’t know. Life is so quick. We’re solely right here for a short while. We’re all right here to assist one another. And it’s, why not make it nearly as good as we will? I don’t know.


Katie: These are nice suggestions. I’ll be sure that these are linked within the present notes at In fact, additionally, we’ll hyperlink to all of the completely different mattresses so individuals can see these. And lastly, is there any parting recommendation that you’d love to depart with everybody listening right this moment?


Tim: Sleep, it’s actually essential. Will a mattress treatment any sleeping downside? No, however I believe that getting a wholesome mattress in your house, even when it’s an natural mattress protector, it’s a step in the precise route. And you’ll slowly, you already know, construct these merchandise in your house that may be chemical-free and no VOCs, no off-gassing, it’s actually essential. And our pores and skin is definitely our greatest organ. And whenever you’re sleeping on a mattress, such as you perspire at night time, however you take in a lot of that of what you’re sleeping on.


So, you already know, its, mattresses are an enormous funding, and it’s, you already know, takes a very long time to save lots of up for them. And positively, when you possibly can, should you can, have a look at these mattresses, have a look at the merchandise in your house which have third-party certifications on them. I believe that’s actually essential. Mattresses can at all times…should you get too agency of a mattress, there are at all times choices for like latex toppers to assist cushion like hips and shoulders. There are issues you can placed on to make it softer. In case you do find yourself with a mattress that’s too tender, it’s slightly robust as a result of there’s nothing you possibly can actually add to make it firmer.


So leaning slightly bit extra in direction of the firmer finish of the mattress isn’t a foul factor to do. It’s, yeah, like I mentioned, you possibly can at all times add latex toppers mattress pads which have slightly little bit of padding in them. And you’ll tune that mattress in your physique sort. And a whole lot of instances these additions to the mattress, it simply feels stunning. It actually will get that stress off your hips and shoulders, and also you get up feeling quite a bit higher within the morning. In order that’s all I obtained to say about that.


Katie: Superior. Properly, this has been an enlightening look into all issues mattresses, and I’ve been making notes within the present notes. These are all for you guys listening at, if you wish to springboard into extra analysis on any of the issues we’ve talked about. However Tim, thanks for sharing your story right this moment, for the entire training you’ve given us and for the work you’re doing. We now have My Inexperienced Mattresses in my home, and we love them, and I’m deeply appreciative.


Tim: Oh, thanks. We admire you.


Katie: And thanks as at all times to all of you guys for listening, for sharing your most useful sources, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us right this moment. We’re each so grateful that you just did. And I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”


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